The people I went to school with were indoctrinated morons trained to be blindly obedient that all were on drugs and most were depressed, if that’s what properly socialized means then good on you for raising improperly socialized children.
Fuck this idea that thousands of different kids with different personalities ideas and backgrounds all need to be dropped into a prison like environment together in order to develop properly. Homeschooling produces smarter more independent and more successful people and there’s no reason you can’t get proper socialization outside of a classroom. In fact most homeschooled kids develop other skills and interests because their parents put them in other programs to make up for not being around other kids in school. So they learn instruments and play sports more and that sot of thing.
Politicians all talk about improving education but the only solution they ever put forward is spending more money on it…and all the research indicates that more spending doesn’t improve the students lives or scores at all. Instead to improve our education we need to get more people to move to better systems that already have a better track record. like private or home schooling. Honestly you go buy a textbook and just read through it at your own pace…you’ll learn way more than you would in any classroom. We have the internet we can teach ourselves the things we’re passionate about without needing a government baby sitter to put their spin on it. All you need is a parent to encourage you to do that and instill a desire to learn and you’ll do it.
Honestly I think people have a natural desire to learn, people have natural curiosity. I post opinions based on stuff I’ve learned on here and a lot of my followers then go and do their own research without anyone prompting them because they want to know what’s true. I think public school kills that impulse, makes us hate learning forces us to associate it with this authoritarian power structure and misery and the annoying kid in class who wont shut up, or the kid that’s picking on you or the fact that you have to listen to these saccharin administration messages all day long.
In class you spend the first half of the day not learning because it’s too early, you’re still tired and have not fully come online yet. Every study suggests the times kids start school is too early to be learning properly…but we never change it because it’s babysitting for parents who need to work. Then you’re not learning anything while the teach gets control of the classroom, which sometimes is never. You’re not learning when you’re getting some social or political messages that encourage you to do the opposite. Oh the people I hate that are making me sit here all day long every day don’t want me to smoke…maybe I should smoke. You’re not learning when the subject matter is totally uninteresting to you or you’re being given busy work like making a shoebox diorama about recycling. And you’re not learning when the class is moving too slow or too fast for you, which given thousands of kids will be a lot of them.
Homeschooling sounds amazing in comparison. You sit at home, wake up at a good normal hour get something to eat slowly wake up watch some cartoons, play some video games w.e. Then when you’re ready just sit and read and you’ll learn more than you would if you had gone to school. Your parents can give you workbooks that anyone can buy, textbooks are available free online. Read for an hour, watch some educational t.v do a little bit of homework and in 3 hours you’ll have accomplished more than any other kid has in 6-8 hours.
I cannot recommend homeschooling enough especially for the early years. Nobody knows how to interest you more than your parents, nobody knows how to deal with you more than your parents and nobody cares more about you than your parents.
As someone who went to public elementary school (K-3), was homeschooled (4-5), went to an alternative learning school (6-7), and then a public highschool (8-12), I have some thoughts about this.
Starting out I’d like to say that everyone has different needs and experiences and I’m only expressing mine here.
I had a lot of trouble in elementary school, I was generally disruptive and spent too much time avoiding the easiest tasks. I cried, I hit teachers, I had to be literally dragged down the hallway by my feet multiple times. I had some nice teachers, but I was viewed as a problem by the staff. They were constantly trying to diagnose me with behavioral problems but didn’t give my mom any resources to help me. Their solution was taking me out of class and letting me colour in the counsellors office. This led to me being homeschooled.
Homeschooling was shit. It was fucking terrible. I absolutely hated it, I was so bored and isolated from the world around me. Everyone my age was at school during the day and playing with school friends afterwards, so I only socialized with toddlers and maladjusted homeschool kids who I only saw every other Friday. I was literally starving to learn and begged to go back to school. I had lost all of my social skills that didn’t involve being praised by adults and impressing little children. Basically, if not making things worse homeschooling didn’t fix anything. My mom wasn’t really able to guide or teach me and I’m sure a lot of other kids would be in the same position. I wasn’t the kind of person who could self regulate.
After begging to go back to school I landed in an alternative school (two other elementary schools rejected me so this was the best I could do). It was like homeschooling but in a building with other people. I had one friend my age (12-13) who didn’t know how to spell simple words. Everyone else my age locked themselves in a room filled with couches every day and didn’t let me in. I was still starving to learn something but we didn’t get taught anything, we just kinda did our own things with adult supervision. Also sucked, but I was happier and never got dragged down a hallway by a teacher. The parents of these kids were fucking crazy though. I overheard one of them complaining that the government forced her to name her child. Half of them were also anti-vaccine. Generally not a good environment and I still lacked social skills.
Then highschool. Fucking hated it until halfway through grade 11. No friends for three and a half years, still had behavioral problems, still wasn’t getting support from the school, definitely wasn’t learning much. I didn’t even figure out that the curiculum was split into chapters that we were tested at the end of until grade 12. I thought they just put random questions about the subject on tests and we were supposed to know somehow. Literally nothing was explained properly.
Finally in grade 12 I started learning, but this was after having to teach myself how to self regulate. I think the reason I succeeded more in grade 12 of public highschool was because I got to pick my classes myself and was actually interested in the material. I started teaching myself social skills and actually became aware of other people and the world around me for once. None of my schools had been able to teach me that or even realize that I needed help with that.
In conclusion, public schools need to be improved if they have any chance of working, but homeschooling isn’t an easy flawless solution. Homeschooling taught me even less than public school. Fuck homeschool.
Homeschooling and alternative schools work great for a lot of people. Traditional school works, though can definitely be improved to be less authoritarian, for a lot of people.
Homeschooling, when done properly, works great. If you can self regulate or have a parent who is willing to do a lot of directing, it works. Homeschooling also has it’s fair share of problems.
Public school isn’t really great either. I haven’t learned shit in the past few years for the most part. That’s because my motivation tanked to hell once I got to 8th grade and I started having to actually work and somewhat pay attention. Somehow, work hasn’t gotten harder necessarily, but.. I don’t know. School is just doing the work for me at this point and it’s really hard for me to make myself give one singular fuck. I used to be a great student and now I use my phone or just sit there numbly all class. It’s boring. My school has plenty of classes on subjects I’m interested in but school sucks the interest out of it for me. Next year I’m only taking 5 credits (10 semesters) of classes and I half regret wasting my time but I just.. I don’t care.
People don’t really talk to me much at school anymore. The best friend I had in person in middle school went to a different high school and the friends that go to my school stopped talking to me or paying attention to me once they got new friends. I miss my old friend. I’m desperate for someone to talk to me, but anxiety is currently keeping me from reaching out and I also.. don’t care much for socialisation anymore. People barely pay attention to me when I talk. I should work on that but.. it’s so hard to find good friends. Anyway.
The point is public school hasn’t exactly been a stellar experience for me. I don’t know if I’ve had depression since 8th grade or something but.. you know.
The only year my behavior was particularly bad was 5th grade and that was probably mostly because I didn’t really have friends. Now, honestly, I really only have one close friend.
I would learn better with a curriculum set out for me to follow that I could follow on my own at my own pace, with a teacher I can ask questions. I don’t learn through lecture. I don’t learn when I have to either wait for everyone else to finish something that is super easy or I have to do something I can’t possibly finish in the amount if time the teacher has set out. That stopped being the case once I hit late middle school and high school. My grades haven’t gotten much worse if worse at all but my work ethic has gone to shit.
Anyway. My personal opinion is that the school system needs to change from the ground up. We can’t implement new programs in the current structure of school. That won’t work, the system is too flawed.
People fall through the cracks. People end up learning faster than the school can help them learn.
The school system needs to respect different learning styles. And actually do it, not psuedoscientific bullshit. School needs to properly teach life skills, some basic level of knowledge, and allow students to pursue interests. It needs to adequately give assistance where necessary without making people feel like they’re less because of it or artificially inflating their ego.
School, honestly, shouldn’t be considered as necessary as it is. If you drop out of high school, you should be able to go to a specialized training that will pick up the slack of high school and then lead you to where you need to be for whatever career.
Honestly. I really think it needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. It’s a primitive system, it’s old. It’s time we moved on to something that will actually teach students and make them successful members of an educated work force, which will be necessary as there’s more automation anyway.
Also, what system of education works will vary person to person, especially given the different qualities of each system available to them. That we know for fact.
It’s gotten to the point where, in an effort to cater to everyone, the public school system is helping no one. My dad teaches kindergarden and he came home a couple years ago FURIOUS because the curriculum had changed and now dictated that calendars were not allowed on kindergarten classrooms because they’re too advanced and they would confuse, frustrate and scare the kids. Which means kids would be 6 or 7 before they learned the days of the week. This is all fine for the kids who would have a tough time separating Monday from Tuesday, but there are kids already starting to read and write at the same age. It’s taking away the challenge instead of letting it stimulate the kids, while simultaneously creating a stagnant environment for those who can understand the concept.
The way we educate should be representative of the learners. The system needs to be replaced. The love of learning gets cut down too early.
The people I went to school with were indoctrinated morons trained to be blindly obedient that all were on drugs and most were depressed, if that’s what properly socialized means then good on you for raising improperly socialized children.
Fuck this idea that thousands of different kids with different personalities ideas and backgrounds all need to be dropped into a prison like environment together in order to develop properly. Homeschooling produces smarter more independent and more successful people and there’s no reason you can’t get proper socialization outside of a classroom. In fact most homeschooled kids develop other skills and interests because their parents put them in other programs to make up for not being around other kids in school. So they learn instruments and play sports more and that sot of thing.
Politicians all talk about improving education but the only solution they ever put forward is spending more money on it…and all the research indicates that more spending doesn’t improve the students lives or scores at all. Instead to improve our education we need to get more people to move to better systems that already have a better track record. like private or home schooling. Honestly you go buy a textbook and just read through it at your own pace…you’ll learn way more than you would in any classroom. We have the internet we can teach ourselves the things we’re passionate about without needing a government baby sitter to put their spin on it. All you need is a parent to encourage you to do that and instill a desire to learn and you’ll do it.
Honestly I think people have a natural desire to learn, people have natural curiosity. I post opinions based on stuff I’ve learned on here and a lot of my followers then go and do their own research without anyone prompting them because they want to know what’s true. I think public school kills that impulse, makes us hate learning forces us to associate it with this authoritarian power structure and misery and the annoying kid in class who wont shut up, or the kid that’s picking on you or the fact that you have to listen to these saccharin administration messages all day long.
In class you spend the first half of the day not learning because it’s too early, you’re still tired and have not fully come online yet. Every study suggests the times kids start school is too early to be learning properly…but we never change it because it’s babysitting for parents who need to work. Then you’re not learning anything while the teach gets control of the classroom, which sometimes is never. You’re not learning when you’re getting some social or political messages that encourage you to do the opposite. Oh the people I hate that are making me sit here all day long every day don’t want me to smoke…maybe I should smoke. You’re not learning when the subject matter is totally uninteresting to you or you’re being given busy work like making a shoebox diorama about recycling. And you’re not learning when the class is moving too slow or too fast for you, which given thousands of kids will be a lot of them.
Homeschooling sounds amazing in comparison. You sit at home, wake up at a good normal hour get something to eat slowly wake up watch some cartoons, play some video games w.e. Then when you’re ready just sit and read and you’ll learn more than you would if you had gone to school. Your parents can give you workbooks that anyone can buy, textbooks are available free online. Read for an hour, watch some educational t.v do a little bit of homework and in 3 hours you’ll have accomplished more than any other kid has in 6-8 hours.
I cannot recommend homeschooling enough especially for the early years. Nobody knows how to interest you more than your parents, nobody knows how to deal with you more than your parents and nobody cares more about you than your parents.
As someone who went to public elementary school (K-3), was homeschooled (4-5), went to an alternative learning school (6-7), and then a public highschool (8-12), I have some thoughts about this.
Starting out I’d like to say that everyone has different needs and experiences and I’m only expressing mine here.
I had a lot of trouble in elementary school, I was generally disruptive and spent too much time avoiding the easiest tasks. I cried, I hit teachers, I had to be literally dragged down the hallway by my feet multiple times. I had some nice teachers, but I was viewed as a problem by the staff. They were constantly trying to diagnose me with behavioral problems but didn’t give my mom any resources to help me. Their solution was taking me out of class and letting me colour in the counsellors office. This led to me being homeschooled.
Homeschooling was shit. It was fucking terrible. I absolutely hated it, I was so bored and isolated from the world around me. Everyone my age was at school during the day and playing with school friends afterwards, so I only socialized with toddlers and maladjusted homeschool kids who I only saw every other Friday. I was literally starving to learn and begged to go back to school. I had lost all of my social skills that didn’t involve being praised by adults and impressing little children. Basically, if not making things worse homeschooling didn’t fix anything. My mom wasn’t really able to guide or teach me and I’m sure a lot of other kids would be in the same position. I wasn’t the kind of person who could self regulate.
After begging to go back to school I landed in an alternative school (two other elementary schools rejected me so this was the best I could do). It was like homeschooling but in a building with other people. I had one friend my age (12-13) who didn’t know how to spell simple words. Everyone else my age locked themselves in a room filled with couches every day and didn’t let me in. I was still starving to learn something but we didn’t get taught anything, we just kinda did our own things with adult supervision. Also sucked, but I was happier and never got dragged down a hallway by a teacher. The parents of these kids were fucking crazy though. I overheard one of them complaining that the government forced her to name her child. Half of them were also anti-vaccine. Generally not a good environment and I still lacked social skills.
Then highschool. Fucking hated it until halfway through grade 11. No friends for three and a half years, still had behavioral problems, still wasn’t getting support from the school, definitely wasn’t learning much. I didn’t even figure out that the curiculum was split into chapters that we were tested at the end of until grade 12. I thought they just put random questions about the subject on tests and we were supposed to know somehow. Literally nothing was explained properly.
Finally in grade 12 I started learning, but this was after having to teach myself how to self regulate. I think the reason I succeeded more in grade 12 of public highschool was because I got to pick my classes myself and was actually interested in the material. I started teaching myself social skills and actually became aware of other people and the world around me for once. None of my schools had been able to teach me that or even realize that I needed help with that.
In conclusion, public schools need to be improved if they have any chance of working, but homeschooling isn’t an easy flawless solution. Homeschooling taught me even less than public school. Fuck homeschool.
Homeschooling and alternative schools work great for a lot of people. Traditional school works, though can definitely be improved to be less authoritarian, for a lot of people.
Homeschooling, when done properly, works great. If you can self regulate or have a parent who is willing to do a lot of directing, it works. Homeschooling also has it’s fair share of problems.
Public school isn’t really great either. I haven’t learned shit in the past few years for the most part. That’s because my motivation tanked to hell once I got to 8th grade and I started having to actually work and somewhat pay attention. Somehow, work hasn’t gotten harder necessarily, but.. I don’t know. School is just doing the work for me at this point and it’s really hard for me to make myself give one singular fuck. I used to be a great student and now I use my phone or just sit there numbly all class. It’s boring. My school has plenty of classes on subjects I’m interested in but school sucks the interest out of it for me. Next year I’m only taking 5 credits (10 semesters) of classes and I half regret wasting my time but I just.. I don’t care.
People don’t really talk to me much at school anymore. The best friend I had in person in middle school went to a different high school and the friends that go to my school stopped talking to me or paying attention to me once they got new friends. I miss my old friend. I’m desperate for someone to talk to me, but anxiety is currently keeping me from reaching out and I also.. don’t care much for socialisation anymore. People barely pay attention to me when I talk. I should work on that but.. it’s so hard to find good friends. Anyway.
The point is public school hasn’t exactly been a stellar experience for me. I don’t know if I’ve had depression since 8th grade or something but.. you know.
The only year my behavior was particularly bad was 5th grade and that was probably mostly because I didn’t really have friends. Now, honestly, I really only have one close friend.
I would learn better with a curriculum set out for me to follow that I could follow on my own at my own pace, with a teacher I can ask questions. I don’t learn through lecture. I don’t learn when I have to either wait for everyone else to finish something that is super easy or I have to do something I can’t possibly finish in the amount if time the teacher has set out. That stopped being the case once I hit late middle school and high school. My grades haven’t gotten much worse if worse at all but my work ethic has gone to shit.
Anyway. My personal opinion is that the school system needs to change from the ground up. We can’t implement new programs in the current structure of school. That won’t work, the system is too flawed.
People fall through the cracks. People end up learning faster than the school can help them learn.
The school system needs to respect different learning styles. And actually do it, not psuedoscientific bullshit. School needs to properly teach life skills, some basic level of knowledge, and allow students to pursue interests. It needs to adequately give assistance where necessary without making people feel like they’re less because of it or artificially inflating their ego.
School, honestly, shouldn’t be considered as necessary as it is. If you drop out of high school, you should be able to go to a specialized training that will pick up the slack of high school and then lead you to where you need to be for whatever career.
Honestly. I really think it needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. It’s a primitive system, it’s old. It’s time we moved on to something that will actually teach students and make them successful members of an educated work force, which will be necessary as there’s more automation anyway.
Also, what system of education works will vary person to person, especially given the different qualities of each system available to them. That we know for fact.
why do guys always gotta jiggle their leg in class ……. shhhh shh relax ..calm down…..it’ll b ok
Nervous energy. If I don’t do it, I literally get sick
Habit. I’m always fiddling or something
I do that subconciously. It really pisses people off.
I see both boys and girls do it. I do it. Sometimes it’s nervous, sometimes it’s just a thing. Either way doing it is helpful or nice in some way. It’s really just not that much of a thing.
Yeah, I think some people have said they do it because of their ADHD or anxiety, out of either nervousness like you said or just not being able to concentrate if they aren’t moving or doing something.
Yeah, pretty much. Or just habit. Or like I do it because it feels nice. It’s literally just.. if people are doing it it’s fine unless it’s shaking a table or something at which point the person probably knows and can’t really help it
why do guys always gotta jiggle their leg in class ……. shhhh shh relax ..calm down…..it’ll b ok
Nervous energy. If I don’t do it, I literally get sick
Habit. I’m always fiddling or something
I do that subconciously. It really pisses people off.
I see both boys and girls do it. I do it. Sometimes it’s nervous, sometimes it’s just a thing. Either way doing it is helpful or nice in some way. It’s really just not that much of a thing.
it might not surprise you to know that how mental illness is diagnosed is sexist.
most baselines for mental illnesses and the symptom criteria for diagnosis are based on studies of Caucasian males. this includes developmental disorders, like ADHD.
whether it’s a result of gender norms or of biology, girls with ADHD (all 3 types, including what was formerly called “ADD”) typically present symptoms differently than boys. for example: whereas boys might jump out of their seat and be very disruptive in class, girls might display hyperactivity through more subtle means, such as fidgeting and, especially, excessive or loud talking. once they get older, boys start having trouble completing assignments on time because, for example, at midnight on the night before it’s due, they’ll abandon a project to go to something else. girls, however, typically will not abandon projects – instead, they might just have a lot of trouble finishing them, or have a brand new idea for how to do the project at midnight, scrap everything and start all over. but they get it done – making it harder for teachers to notice they’re struggling.
because they’re often better at completing schoolwork and behaving in class than boys, the symptoms of ADHD often don’t catch up to girls until high school, college or early adulthood – when, suddenly, they cannot finish projects the night before and need to plan in advance/time manage – and they realize that they can’t.
i’m speaking here as a mental health worker and someone who has ADHD myself – if you’re a girl in high school or college who’s been struggling a lot, and that description rang true, consider a visit to a psychiatrist. you may have ADHD, and talk/medication therapies can actually change your life.
hey bastard dumbfuck ill have you know that this was easily the best moment of my entire life, and that everything from that point has been + always will be disappointing by comparison
first day of college in media: “Please open up your textbooks to chapter three because I expect you to have already read the first two chapters in preparation for starting this class”
first day of college in reality: “We’re going to spend the next hour slowly and thoroughly going over every page of the syllabus because I strongly suspect at least half of you assholes don’t actually know how to read”
ifesbob 