Julianna from Strong Brew Hamstery made a petition against the super inhumane cages that Petsmart has started selling.
Please, please, me and Clover urge you to sign this and share it with as many people as you can. If not for me, or any other hamsters, sign it for Clarice, who never had to spend a day of her life in any cage like this due to the awesome online pet community’s advice given to me. Many people don’t have the luxury of knowing where to find good pet care and turn to places like Petsmart for information. Let’s raise the bar.
How anyone in their right mind would buy these things thinking they are fine for a hamster is beyond me. Please sign!
Hamsters are about the size of your hand aren’t they? They’re like rats, but fatter.
…in what world are those tiny boxes good housing for rodents? That’s like putting a human in a closet and saying “this is your house”
Lots of good feedback about videos and photographs to help with veterinary examinations. Reading over everything others said I want to apologize if I misunderstood the question. I was under the impression the question was can a video take the place of an examination of a pet. Even though a video can’t be done instead of an exam, everyone is right that videos are very helpful to show the vet during an exam.
If your pet is doing anything unusual get a video of it and bring it with you. They are helpful in differentiating seizures from syncope, looking at behavioral problems, and other things that are hard to find on a physical exam.
I’m sorry to the original asker if my answer didn’t address your question fully. I blame doing asks in the morning before coffee.
I received an ask about handling degus, I’m still quite new to tumblr and not sure on messaging etiquette and when someone would expect me to reply publicly or privately; I replied privately and then the message disappeared? Once I sent the message I thought that maybe other people would have found it useful and I’d like it if people were to generally ask me questions about degus (whether they have their own or they’re just curious about the little critters).
So, my advice on/experience with handling degus:
Degus in a new home will take some time to get used to you and their new environment. The sort of home did they came from will make a big difference in how long it takes them to trust someone new. The big guys came from a better home than the little guys and it showed in how long it took the little guys to trust me.
If you’re struggling to get your degus out of the cage you could try tube training them – teaching them that going through a tube gets them a reward.
The big guys don’t like hands much and it’s easier to get them to decide to do what I want them to. I’ve trained them that if I click my fingers and they come to me/jump on my shoulders they’ll get a treat; and if I stand by their cage and click my fingers they’ll run in to the cage because they know I’m about to sprinkle their seeds. It’s much easier to get them to decide they want to go away themselves than it is trying to catch them to put them away!
If the degus are getting spooked easily obviously try to avoid any loud or sudden movements; my guys get more spooked while they’re out if someone is standing in their room than if they’re sitting. They don’t get spooked by nearly as many things when they’re in their cage. They also tend to get spooked if someone is looking at them and yawns without covering their mouth.
If you need treats for training degus I would recommend puffed rice, in the UK this is sold as a cereal and is available in the free from section in supermarkets.
The little guys all have different ways in which they like to be picked up, but I would generally recommend scooping them up and not picking them up from above. One likes to be scooped up from the front, another needs to be scooped up from the sides with two hands simultaneously because he’s a wriggly little thing that doesn’t want to be picked up. The big guys don’t like being picked up and it’s better to let them climb on to my arm.
If degus are used to being handled from a young age it will be easier to get them used to being handled by someone new later on.
If anyone has any questions please don’t hesitate to ask.
Julianna from Strong Brew Hamstery made a petition against the super inhumane cages that Petsmart has started selling.
Please, please, me and Clover urge you to sign this and share it with as many people as you can. If not for me, or any other hamsters, sign it for Clarice, who never had to spend a day of her life in any cage like this due to the awesome online pet community’s advice given to me. Many people don’t have the luxury of knowing where to find good pet care and turn to places like Petsmart for information. Let’s raise the bar.
How anyone in their right mind would buy these things thinking they are fine for a hamster is beyond me. Please sign!
Hey! The general advice that I’ve seen suggests keeping degusin groups of two – seven. I’ve got six degus, but they’re in two separate groupsso the most I have out at any time is four.
I don’t have any experience with female degus so Icouldn’t really recommend which sex you should go with. My boys are veryfriendly, the little guys more so than the big guys. Whichever sex you decide to go with make sure thatyou know how to sex degus yourself before you get them, even if you’re gettingthem from someone who seems as though they should know how to sex degus. I thinkthere are a lot of people who just take a quick look and say ‘that’s a penis,this one’s a male’ when males and females all have cones which are easily mistakenfor a penis if you don’t know about this.If you’re adopting degus and they’ve been keeping males and females togetherthere is a possibility that the females could be pregnant. Degus are pregnantfor three months but only show in the last two weeks and they have litters of 2– 10 pups.
If you’re adopting six degus I would recommend gettingthem as an existing group; introducing degus can be tricky and moving to a newhome will already be stressful for them.
I’ve recently written a post on what makes a gooddegu cage and what degus should have in their cage.The first post has a link to how to calculate what size cage you need. Most cages you can buy will be wire cageslike those that I have, there are guides around on how to build your own cage,these are usually wooden often with a wire mesh for the front or top to provideventilation. It’s more likely to be a question of whether you want to buy a cage or build one yourself.
Ideally degus would have something to dig in as theylive in burrow in the wild. You’ll need to take account of the space that wouldbe taken up by a tank when deciding what size cage you need/where to placeshelves. My guys don’t have anything for digging at the moment; I’m in theprocess of trying to find a tank that would fit in to the space available. I did get a tank for them to dig in while they were out of the cage for their run, but they’ve always been more interested in running than digging, I imagine they would pay more attention to something in their cage.
You can see a post on handling degus here. When you first get them try to give them the same food they’ve been eating and introduce what you’re intending to feed them gradually over the course of a week.
One last thing to consider is that degus areclassed as exotic pets. Do you live near a vet that would treat degus? Thefirst vet I went to said they would see degus but very clearly didn’t know athing about them and usually only treated dogs and cats.
I could keep talking for pages, so I’ll leave it here. Please feel free to get in touch ifyou have any further questions or you want any more detail on anything 🙂
Six degus is a lot of degus for a beginner two or three is the best number to start with. Degus can be prone to having spats and falling outs not to mention health issues. Acquiring that many could end up being overwhelming. Unlike rats male and female degus are similar in behavior, though males can be more prone to having bad fights during hormone season. To be honest I rarely see groups of males over 5 get along long term without the need to separate, but Ive seen it many times with females.
Reblogging for added comments. I wrote this before all of my degus fell out, these days I think I’d recommend a group of three.
I’ve gotten a couple of messages prompting me to do that “behavior and enrichment” post I suggested I might make a while back, so I thought I’d finally get around to it – while also touching on the subject of hormones as well, since hormones and behavior are two subject often related to eachother. Let’s get into it! It’s gonna be a long one…
Hormones So, your parrot is acting out because he’s hormonal. She’s being vicious because she’s going through puberty. He’s mad because it’s mating season. She’s going through her bluffing stage. They’re just at that age. It’s just that time of the year. ….But what does that mean? And is that really all there is to it? What specific behaviors are at play here? Are all problem behaviors hormonal issues, and, can hormone-related behavioral issues not be solved until it goes away by itself (when mating season is over, or the bird has finished going through puberty)? Yeah, it’s true that hormones do have the ability to stir up a mess in a parrot’s life. They’re not designed to live like this – they weren’t designed to be indoors with constant temperatures and artificial lights, they weren’t designed to have a (human) partner who’s always touching them. It’s absolutely not unexpected or unusual for these hormones to do act up sometimes, and that’s sure to be stressful for parrot and human both! There have been records of parrots getting hormone implants, resulting in a reduction of problem behaviors such as screaming, biting and plucking, and that’s great! But is that always the case when a parrot is exhibiting problem behaviors? And if it IS hormones, is a hormone implant or “waiting it out” the only solution available?
The thing is – whatever underlying circumstance or label may affect a behavior (unless it’s physical health issues or sickness), there’s always a way to change the behavior.
Behavior is rational. Every behavior has a purpose; in any given situation we behave in order to get what we want (even if it’s as simple as scratching an itch). It doesn’t make sense that because it’s a certain time of the year or the bird is of a certain age, they stop behaving rationally. Yes, certain behaviors may be amplified, but they still come from the same place, they’re rational, they fill the same purpose, and you can work with them, just like every other, non-hormonal behavior. So, what ARE the signs of a “hormonal” parrot? That seems to differ depending on who you ask, but the general consensus seems to be aggression, territoriality, biting, screaming, “dominance”, and nesting/mating/regurgitating (though these last three I won’t go into in this post – they’re an entire subject of their own and usually needs a different approach). Now, biting and screaming are things we can work with – observable behaviors. With aggression and territoriality we’re getting back at the abstract labels again – allow yourself to look past those labels and assess what observable behaviors it is that you are interpreting as those things. Does aggressive mean biting, lunging, attacking, or just eye pinning, tail flaring, pacing? Does territorial mean any of those things or something else – are the two concepts the same or do the behaviors look any different? Is the setting the only difference? As far as dominance goes, that’s… Not even worth getting into. Dominance in parrots isn’t a thing! Thanks. For further reading, there’s a great post by @flock-talk on the subject here:(x)
Hormonal? Dominant? Aggressive? …Or just an appropriate response to something I could have done differently?
When you’ve boiled it down to behaviors, not labels, you can start working on correcting them! “Lunging when I put my hand in the cage” is an observable behavior that you can work with, you can assess the antecedent to the behavior and you can look at the consequence, and from there you can work on changing one of those in order to change the behavior. I was going to include how to do that in this post as well, but that would have been a very long post, so for now I’ll refer to this very good article: (x) (I might do a post on changing or correcting problem behavior as well sometime, I do have a couple of experiences to share on the subject that might help shed some light on the concept, maybe?)
A parrot who bites, screams, attacks, etc is most likely a stressed parrot. Hormones or no, there’s no reason to just sit and wait for it to solve itself, because chances are you might unknowingly be doing something to contribute to that stress and to trigger that behavior. “There’s nothing I can do about this issue” is a bad mindset and contributes to poor handling and continued behavioral problems, especially when applied to “bird puberty” – which is usually what we assume is happening when a baby bird starts communicating that they’re uncomfortable with situations they allowed when they were babies who didn’t know better. Our response is too often to keep doing the things that make them uncomfortable just because “well, she let me do it last month”, “she’s just acting out”, and “I need to show her that she’s not the one in charge here”. All potentially harmful approaches, not least to your relationship and trust-bond. You shouldn’t wait it out, and you definitely shouldn’t try to assert any sort of dominance to the situation. Instead, empower the bird with the ability to control their environment – because that’s what those behaviors are trying to do. You have to work out how you can help them control their environment in a less stressful, more positive way. Don’t make them do anything they don’t want to do – instead make that thing more desirable so that they DO want to do it! Figure out what’s causing the “bad” behavior. Analyze the specific behavior. Assess what antecedents and consequences the behavior has. Then change it. Change what’s happening before, or what’s happening after, and when done right, the behavior should have no reason not to change with it. (Do absolutely read the article I linked above, it really is great and does a whole lot of a better job explaining things than this!)
And…. Make sure you’re providing a good, enriched environment.
Enrichment As most of us who share our lives with parrots will agree, they’re quite complex creatures. They can be hard to understand, hard to handle, and hard to keep happy and healthy in our homes. One major key to their health and happiness lies in their enrichment; the objects and activities we provide for them to be able to perform natural behaviors, such as chewing (wooden toys), keeping clean (bath dish/spray bottle/shower – access to regular baths), social interaction (spending time, actively, with your bird, or if possible, allowing your bird to meet other birds for positive interactions), foraging (different kinds of foraging toys, including puzzles and shredding toys, where they’re encouraged to work for food), flight (birds don’t just fly out of necessity, they also fly because it’s fun – especially in captivity where they can’t fly nearly as much but still have all the innate energy to do so), problem solving (training, foraging), etc. But, what effect could the spaces, toys and environments you provide for your bird have on your relationship with them? How does enrichment affect their behavior towards you?
If you know me or have followed my blog for a while, you know that I sure do love “a shrubful of berries” as a form of foraging enrichment.
Well, one answer can be found in understimulation. A parrot who isn’t properly enriched, who doesn’t have a large cage or enough toys, and who isn’t provided with a healthy way to release energy and perform natural behaviors, is naturally more likely to be frustrated, and, to focus all of that built up energy on the one form of active enrichment they do have access to: you. If they have no toys to chew, they’re more likely to chew on your clothes, your furniture and your skin. If they have no space to fly and be active in their cage when you aren’t around, they’re more likely to “attack” you out of overstimulation when you are around. If they’ve got plenty of space, toys, foraging opportunities and other forms of enrichment to indulge in when you’re away, they don’t have that same built up energy to release on you. Understimulation when you’re gone leads to overstimulation when you’re there. There’s no balance, and that usually results in a bird who doesn’t know WHAT to do with all that energy and stimuli that’s concentrated on one specific situation.
Another point I’d like to bring up is their ability to choose their form of enrichment, and that includes choosing to hang out with you as well! See, if they only have a few different toys to choose from, or just toys of the same kind, they’re more likely to get tired and not interact with those enrichment objects, thus staying passive and unenriched for most of the day, even if those are usually their favorite toys. If they get to choose from different textures, different mechanisms, different tastes, different colors, different senses to stimulate, etc – they are more likely to explore and keep active. Parrots (and all animals) are most comfortable, and confident, when their actions have consequences, when they’re empowered and able to help control their own environment. This includes training, foraging, interactions with us and/or other birds, playing, and of course also choosing WHEN to fly, play and be active or sociable, and WHEN to step back, rest and just take it chill. One way to allow them to achieve this ability to choose, is to allow them to come out of their cage on their own – keep the cage doors open when you’re in the room, and wait for them to come out to hang out with you. Spend time with them (training is a REALLY good form of enrichment as well – and if you’re training useful behaviors like recall, target, voluntary nail trims, etc – that’s just a lovely bonus), pay attention to them, talk to them etc, when they choose to hang out with you. If they want to be somewhere else, allow them to. I absolutely suggest setting up several play areas outside of the cage for them to spend time on when they feel like doing so! Most parrots ARE usually going to have some extra energy when you’re around, because parrots are innately extroverted and get excited about spending time with their people – so having multiple spots for them to play, climb, fly back and forth from, chew toys, etc, even outside of the cage where they’ll spend time with you, is going to be very helpful in allowing them to use that energy in a positive way! You can of course initiate interactions and pick them up as well, but you should pay attention to their body language and if they don’t seem to want to be picked up, either leave them to their thing or make yourself a preferable place to be (suggestion: treats)!
A good play area for your bird might even prevent them from ruining your entire wallpaper… If you’re lucky.
A properly enriched parrot is going to be a lot easier to work with in regards of training as well – I know I struggled with Rowdy Amazon Boy Drogon and his excess energy a lot more a couple of months ago, when the bird room was the no-cage living space for the smaller birds so he couldn’t spend too much time there, I had no outdoor aviary yet, and he didn’t have an Amazon friend to talk to and interact with. Now he’s got a much larger cage, in the bird room, so he’s always surrounded by the other birds and has someone to talk to and something to watch even when I’m not around, and he gets to spend at least a couple of hours each day in the bird room (with lots of enrichment and play areas and climbing things and trees and stuff) or the outdoor aviary (also lots of enrichment – including the sounds and sights of the outdoors, which has proven VERY enriching for all of them beebs!) – and he’s a lot calmer, and a LOT easier to work with and train now that he isn’t always over-excitedly using a full day’s worth of energy concentrated on this one training session. I know he was just being a rowdy youngster with lots of energy and not enough of an outlet for it, but his behavior (biting, “attacking” hands, over-excited body language when approached, often too wound up to properly work with) could have VERY easily been interpreted as “aggressive” and even “hormonal”. But thinking of it like that would have given me nothing to work with, because again, those are pretty undescriptive labels.
So, in conclusion, while hormones may or may not be the cause of a problem behavior in a parrot – those behaviors can most often be both worked on, and prevented beforehand! And I really do believe that the very common “oh, it’s just hormones” attitude is.. Kinda counterproductive. It creates a mindset of “there’s nothing I can do about this”, which is wrong, and also inherently includes “this isn’t caused by anything I’m doing or that I have control over”, which is usually also wrong. Providing nice big spaces, enrichment of all kinds, plenty of activities and positive interactions, training, and allowing your bird to help control their own environment and the outcome of their actions in a positive way, is setting up your bird for behavioral success – no matter age, season, or amount of hormones!
I absolutely do advocate being aware of hormonal triggers and trying to limit those as much as possible, because they do help cause and amplify problems. But this should be done as a preventative measure, in addition to enrichment, training and understanding your bird and their behaviors – not treated as a solution to the behaviors themselves.
Hi! I feed my degus a mix of nuggets, seeds, driedand fresh plants/veg. I live in the UK and use the degu nuggets sold by Pets atHome,these make up about half of their regular food. In the wild seeds make up up to60% of their diet so the other half of their regular food is a mix of seeds,flaked oats and dried plants. Degutopia has a good overview with a bit moreinformation than I have here.
I feed my degus twice a day, once in the cage whereall of their food is spread out so they have to forage for it and once whenthey’re out for their run where I hand feed them the nuggets and then spreadout the seeds in the cage afterwards. I use the hand feeding as a chance tohandle them, to reinforce a positive connection with me and also to train them.
I also give them each a pea flake andcorn flake (not to be confused with the breakfast cereal!). The pea flakes come in handy ifI need to check an injury or something as the flakes are quite big and thedegus need to use both paws to eat it so it helps to keep them still.
I also give my degus fresh herbs and vegetablesseveral times a week. Some vegetables should be fed less regularly due to theirhigher sugar content and the degus’ predisposition to diabetes.
Other treats I use include puffed rice which can befed regularly and can be found in health food shops or the free from section inthe supermarket, it’s sold as a cereal, just make sure you get the plain one. Ican only speak for the UK, I don’t know how common it is in other countries.Occasional treats (1-2 a few times a week) include pumpkin seeds and sunflowerseeds. Rare treats (once a month) include nuts, I usually give my degus a hazelnut. If you give them the nut still in the shell it provides them with achallenge to get in to it (especially with nuts which roll away easily) and itwears down their teeth. They also get occasional dried rosehips which are highin vitamin C but should only be fed at most one a week.
If I want to give the degus something new I willgoogle for ‘degu safe [insert food]’ (this is literally half my search history)and I will cross-reference three different sources to make sure that it’sdefinitely safe. This may be overkill but I’d always rather be safe than sorry.Even though some lists of degu safe foods include fruits I would personallynever feed my degus any fruit because of the sugar content.
Degus should also have constant access to hay, thiswill help to wear down their teeth and provide fibre. Lack of hay can lead to overgrown teeth, diarrhoea and digestion problems. Given the wording of your question I’m sureyou know this but there may be people who are thinking about getting degus whomight use this answer as a guide so I want to cover everything.
There are people who feed their degus a diet of wholeplants and seeds as this is closer to what degus would eat in the wild,I don’t find it very practical but it may be something you want to look in to,
Please don’t apologise, I love getting questions!(Although it is a shame that I’m the only degu blog) Please feel free to get intouch if you have any more questions or if you want to let me know what yourdegus make of their new treats.
I’ve probably given you more information than youwere after here but once I start talking about degus I find it difficult tostop.