Because one is a bandaid on a complex situation that involves a lot of dropped balls, bullying, piss poor services, and a fucked up system that hasn’t changed in 20 years, and the other was caused by a flight attendant not caring about a fucking service animal.
Because many people have different ideas about how the first problem should be fixed, and need to take the time to really find the best solution. The other has no real controversy around it because everyone agrees that what happened was horrible and should not have been allowed. It’s not that deep.
“Since he was in middle school it was no surprise to anyone who knew him to hear that he was the shooter. Those talking about how we should have not ostracized him, YOU DIDN’T KNOW THIS KID, WE DID.” – Parkland Survivor Emma Gonzales, March for Our Lives Rally, 25 Mar 2018
“There has been one tweet that I’d like to call attention to,” she said, referencing a tweet from Trump the morning after the shooting: “So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!”
“We did,” Gonzalez said. “Time and time again.”
“Those who talk about how we should have not ostracized him,” she said, referring to suspected shooter Nikolas Cruz, “you didn’t know this kid. We did. We know that they are claiming there are mental health issues, and I am not a psychologist. But we need to pay attention to the fact that this isn’t just a mental health issue.”
“He wouldn’t have harmed that many students with a knife!”
What about a car? The 2016 terrorist in Nice, France killed almost five times the amount of people that died at Parkland. Are you telling me a mass murderer couldn’t get their hands on a car?
Also, bullying isn’t inherently a mental health issue, it’s a social issue.
“How about we stop blaming the victims for something that was the shooter’s fault, the faults of the people who let him buy the guns in the first place, those at the gun shows, the people who encouraged him to buy accessories for his guns to make them fully automatic, the people who didn’t take them away from him when they knew that he expressed homicidal tendencies. And I am not talking about the FBI,” she said.
Of course you aren’t. That would complicate the narrative.
“I am talking about the people that he lived with him, I’m talking about the neighbors who saw him outside holding guns.”
“Why didn’t they assume this guy with guns was breaking the law, based on no evidence?”
“If the president wants to come up to me and tell me to my face that it was a terrible tragedy and how it should never have happened and maintain telling us how nothing is going to be done about it, I’m going to happily ask him how much money he received from the National Rifle Association.”
“But hey, you want to know something? It doesn’t matter because I already know. $30 million! And divided by the number of gunshot victims in the United States in the one and one-half months in 2018 alone, that comes out to being $5,800. Is that how much these people are worth to you Trump?”
Of course, what Emma’s handlers have quietly ommitted is how most murders and gun crime are with illegally owned guns, and most gun fatalities are suicides.
Also, that translates to about 517 gunshot victims. Assuming Emma was fairly accurate and up to date, that translates to a whopping 6 or 7 gunshot victims per day.
In a country of 325 million.
No wonder she – sorry – her handlers had to do a little soft-shoe. I’d like to ask Emma how much the millions of law-abiding gun owners are worth to her, because, gosh, these Parkland kids don’t like to talk about them.
Holy hell didn’t i theorize these kids,especially this self righteous bitch tormented that kid to a mental breakdown?! I called it! No wonder she’s rattling on so much. Classic.
the point. is not the details. that you used to reeeeeally stretch your argument.
> most gun fatalities are suicides
…okay, there’s a good reason why guns shouldn’t be so accessible.
> most murders and gun crime are with illegally owned guns
…news flash, that’s not a good thing. so… thanks for pointing out another good reason to crack down on guns laws and enforcement.
> Of course you aren’t, that would complicate the narrative
you are complicating the narrative to do something quite despicable.
you are trying very hard to invalidate what these kids, these VICTIMS, are aiming to do.
you are (conveniently) ignoring the fact that the main focus is not whether or not the shooter was bullied. people have been bullied for centuries, people are assholes. we are working to improve that in this country. the main focus is not whether or not the shooter had mental issues. mental health is an issue in this country. many people have mental health issues. a very large amount of them do not kill children. we are working towards better mental health care and screening in this country.
this particular man had a gun. and it’s hella easier to massacre a large amount of people with a bullet than with a knife. or a car (which by the by, would be wildly ineffective when trying to mass murder in a school, or a multistory building, or, any building not made entirely of glass.)
you are missing the point. all of the problems that pro-gun people throw at our faces to distract from the gun problem are being worked on. we have actual progress being made in this country with bullying and mental health issues.
what’s even more maddening, is that it doesn’t take somebody with a long history of a mental illness to lose it. mental health checks and background checks are fine and dandy. excuse me, they are actually very necessary. but even the court recognizes a little thing called ‘temporary insanity’. a lot of awful things can happen to a person in one day. if a man loses his wife, his kids, and his home in fire in the span of 2 hours, there is no telling what that man could do. extreme stress can make a person do irrational things. people are wildly unpredictable.
it’s true, people do kill people –
why should guns be so accessible to such creatures??
mental health is an epidemic and so is the gun crisis. if guns were a disease this would be a no brainer. we would want to eradicate the disease.
you want to talk about mental health? this is a mental health issue.
this is delusion of danger and it is irrational fear and attachment.
multiple things contributed to this tragedy (and the hundreds of identical tragedies that have claimed thousands of lives).
the gun was a variable.
all of the other variables are being addressed by EVERYBODY-except for the weapon.
it is unscientific to ignore a variable when trying to solve a problem.
not only is it radically illogical and infuriating, it’s heartbreaking.
you are part of the problem.
and we will beat you.
>> most gun fatalities are suicides
>…okay, there’s a good reason why guns shouldn’t be so accessible.
Except gun control folks harp almost exclusively on murder, especially mass shootings. Japan has shedloads of suicides with gun control.
>…news flash, that’s not a good thing.
Obvs.
>so… thanks for pointing out another good reason to crack down on guns laws and enforcement.
So you want to “crack down on gun laws” to make illegal guns DOUBLE illegal? My point was “why restrict legal owners when they’re largely not the ones committing crimes with guns?”
>> Of course you aren’t, that would complicate the narrative
>you are complicating the narrative to do something quite despicable.
>you are trying very hard to invalidate what these kids, these VICTIMS, are aiming to do.
Turns out being a victim doesn’t automatically give someone moral standing. Of course, you’re not addressing the point, you’re just going “bbbbut they’re victims!”
>you are (conveniently) ignoring the fact that the main focus is not whether or not the shooter was bullied.
No, I’m pointing out how she’s willfully ignoring, possibly excusing, a possible cause of the shooting because it doesn’t let them blame guns.
>this particular man had a gun. and it’s hella easier to massacre a large amount of people with a bullet than with a knife. or a car (which by the by, would be wildly ineffective when trying to mass murder in a school, or a multistory building, or, any building not made entirely of glass.)
So someone could use bombs. Like the Columbine boys tried to. Or Tim McVeigh. Or the Boston Marathon. Or…
>you are missing the point. all of the problems that pro-gun people throw at our faces to distract from the gun problem are being worked on.
She is literally excusing the authorities who are supposed to investigate and stop precisely this sort of thing with the existing mechanisms. If that’s not a part of the “gun problem”, what is?
How are you going to improve the system without an honest look at its current flaws?
And why are you ignoring her Dramatic Statistic™ that falls completely flat with a few minutes of research and basic math?
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what’s even more maddening, is that it doesn’t take somebody with a long history of a mental illness to lose it. mental health checks and background checks are fine and dandy. excuse me, they are actually very necessary.
Okay…?
>but even the court recognizes a little thing called ‘temporary insanity’. a lot of awful things can happen to a person in one day. if a man loses his wife, his kids, and his home in fire in the span of 2 hours, there is no telling what that man could do. extreme stress can make a person do irrational things. people are wildly unpredictable.
Are there any OTHER rights you want to restrict because someone had One Bad Day? Driving? Free speech? Unreasonable search and seizure?
>it is unscientific to ignore a variable when trying to solve a problem.
You are saying this in defense of someone who is doing precisely that. And using appeal to emotion after appeal to emotion. Not very scientific of you.
You hypocrite.
“He wouldn’t have killed that many people with a knife”
tbh i’m not the least bit surprised to find out the hogg kid was home when the school shooting happened because it became fairly obvious long ago that a bunch of those kids were just becoming “the face of the movement” for the attention and prestige
like i don’t think they’re being “paid off” or whatever i just think they’re a bunch of kids who attended a school that was struck with a horrific tragedy and they decided to use that tragedy to get national attention. i’m sure they actually care but it became p obvious that they were really loving the praise and the cameras that came with them being so “passionate” meanwhile the kids who actually lost their lives have become lost in the narrative. like i’m p sure everyone knows the names of the “activists” but can’t name most of the victims and the activists haven’t done much to change that
Thank you anon. Honestly I pretty much share your view of “we need more regulations but please don’t go overboard, and actually consider other factors”
We should probably make sure the regulations we already have are being properly enforced before considering adding more, and judging by the past few shootings they’re not.
Being nice to a kid is not going to change anything when that person is already so far mentally gone that they’re contemplating homicide (ideation or intentions), the average Jane/Joe DOES NOT have the proper tools to handle them. They need professional intervention, IMMEDIATLY
Jesus wept, so this article gets huffy at the insinuation that there’s a huge social problem -or problems – driving these shootings, because they claim the issue is really about “access to high powered rifles”.
Yet none of these shootings have been committed with high powered rifles.
None.
The article claims its “victim blaming” to acknowledge that it’s the ostracized, bullied kids who keep perpetrating these shootings. The article ignores that someone has to do the ostracizing. The article takes issue with pointing out that it’s usually their peer groups that do it. They then try to compare it to “telling a rape victim that their attacker wouldn’t have attacked them if they’d had a girlfriend”, holy shit.
I want someone to explain to me why anti-gunners are suddenly so adamant about defending being an absolute dickskin to the weird kid in class.
It’s not “victim blaming” to point out the trend of these shootings, it’s reality. People who become victims are just as much a part of society as anyone else. Being a victim doesn’t magically remove all ability to be criticized, unless you’ve got the mentality of a six year old. Someone has to do the bullying. Someone has to turn a blind eye.
“It’s duh GUNZ”, and yet less than a percent of a percent of all gun owners have ever committed a mass shooting – if its about access, there should be more. If you objectively look at the numbers and compare them to just how many legal gun owners there are in this country, people who go their whole lives without shooting anyone despite having guns, thats the honest conclusion you must come to.
Anyway, fuck anyone who tries to claim being kind to the weird kid doesn’t help because he’s “too far gone”.
Because what’s the slogan these yahoos keep saying? “If it saves just one life, it’s worth it?”
Wow yeah this is fatalistic, you never know if you’ve stopped something like a shooting from happening by walking up to someone and being friendly because it’s impossible to know that it’s happened.
Yes walk up and talk to the weird kid, befriend them, at a minimum step in when other people are picking on them so they know that not everyone is horrid.
You kindness could save lives and it’s not that hard to say hi to someone.
Officials were so concerned about the mental stability of the student accused of last month’s Florida school massacre that they decided he should be forcibly committed.
But the recommendation was never acted upon.
A commitment under the law would have made it more difficult if not impossible for Nikolas Cruz to obtain a gun legally.
Read that last sentence again: A commitment under the law would have made it more difficult if not impossible for Nikolas Cruz to obtain a gun legally.
This shooting was not the result of a lack of gun comtrol. Existing gun control measures would have stopped him if the feds had done their jobs. And these feds are part of the same government you trust to protect you from further gun vilolence.
For a lot of the people who cry out for more gun control measures but who are ignorant of what is already in place, please, read the laws. Not what the media is telling you, not what power hungry politicians are telling you, but the actual laws. Fully automatic weapons are already de facto illegal to own. There are already background checks. Persons who commit domestic violence are already barred from owning them. The problem is not NRA supported politicians- Michal Bloomberg (a renowned gun control advocate) donates more to politicians by himself than the NRA. The problem is a government that does not adheare to the laws and systems they put in place. It is a government that is corrupt, that breaks its own laws, that wants one set of rules for the political elite and one set of rules for those not in power.
Honestly, whenever it comes to a kid/teenager getting bullied to the point it sends their mental health into a downward spiral, one of two things will generally happen:
They kill themselves and everyone (including the people they bullied) cry about how they were such a nice person and how they didn’t know anything was wrong while having ignored the day to day bullying they [The one who killed themselves] went through that was utterly ignored by their peers.
They kill other people and people talk about how it was so unexpected and no one knew what was going on or why it was happening and about gun control, while ignoring the bullying and the fact that their mental health was going down the drain that no one was paying attention to until they snapped.
In either case, the people that cry about what happened never care enough until the person [being bullied] either kills themselves or kills someone else.
TLDR teens have roughly the same odds of dying from gun homicide as adults all the way up to age 45 or so.
And of course the majority of those are going to be gang violence, followed by kids murdered in their own homes by their own parents, with school shootings in dead last position as always. But that’s not the kind of news that makes money nor the kind that is useful for politicians.
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