Tag: fat positvity

Fat Logic

thisismysafespace:

“Fat doesn’t necessarily equate to unhealthy!”

Yes it does. You can’t be healthy at every size.

“I starved myself and I still gained weight!”

That’s not how that works. That’s not how any of this works.

“The BMI scale doesn’t work!”

It does for most of the population.

“I’ve tried diet and exercise and it didn’t work!”

No you didn’t.

“Me being fat doesn’t affect you!
”

Being obese affects many aspects of society (the economy, healthcare costs, etc), not just you.

“Everyone is supposed to be different!”

That doesn’t include being 400lbs and killing your body.

“No one shames skinny girls for their weight!”

Yeah, people do that all the time, actually.

“My doctor is fat-shaming me!”

Your doctor has your best interests at heart. They know being overweight is unhealthy and they’re just trying to help you. You don’t know more about your health than your doctor who endured years of medical school.

“If I’m overweight and you aren’t attracted to me, you hate fat people!”

Yeah, no. People are allowed to have preferences in their partners.

I agree with this post.
And I will fight anybody who disagrees, come at me, bro!

rustnrot:

iicraft505:

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rustnrot:

Nothing makes me more sad than anti-body positivity. Fat is okay. It is okay to have fat, it is okay to be fat, okay? And even if you’re fat and unhealthy because of it you deserve to love yourself and look at your body without disgust because that love will encourage you to make the right choices for your own, beautiful body.

Not everyone is built to be thin. Don’t you dare pretend that someone is worth less because they aren’t thin. Destroy the idea that thin should be the ideal.

I don’t have the time to point out how wrong you are. Choosing to not try to live a healthier lifestyle to loose weight is NEVER the right decision in the long term.

I have a few problems with your point (though I understand if you had limited time to construct it).
You’re assuming that being fat is a choice, and that fat people are deliberately “choosing to not try to live a healthier lifestyle.” This is not always the case. For many fat people, their weight is something very difficult to change, so calling the idea of losing weight simply a “choice,” I think, is misunderstanding the process of (healthy) weight loss.

Don’t misunderstand me, it is possible for fat people to be unhealthy! It is even possible for their overweightness to be the reason for their poor health. However this does not mean they deserve to be shamed or criticized. The anti-fat positivity movement assumes a constant correlation between fat and poor health, and uses this to justify hateful attitudes towards fat people. This is a major concern and the reason why I made my original post. I hope you understand this.

Don’t be so quick to assume that fat equates to poor health, and that being fat is always just a poor lifestyle choice. I hope our disagreement leads to good discussion in the future.

Being overweight directly leads to health problems. Being healthy while fat is always a temporary state.

I don’t think fat people are bad for being fat.
I do, however, think that spreading around the idea that you can be healthy and fat indefinitely is wrong.

If you don’t want to loose weight I have no problem with that either.
Again, spreading around the idea that not everyone can loose weight if they put their mind to it and that you can be healthy indefinitely while fat is bad.

Living a healthy lifestyle and improving your food habits is a choice. Yes, a hard change. And loosing weight in a healthy way isn’t easy or quick.

What I ultimately have the problem with is the assertion that some people just can’t loose weight if they want to.

Ultimately I believe that with the right diet for your activity level/age/metabolic rate anyone can have a healthy weight.

I think where we’re disagreeing comes down to differing definitions of “fat” and “overweight.”

Fat, realistically speaking, is a component of our bodies that is natural and necessary for us to live healthily. The amount of it also varies per person, so putting people on a slider of healthy to unhealthy based on fat isn’t realistic.

I think your main concern is the health issue that comes from being overweight, hench why you brought up obesity. Yes, being unhealthy is bad, and being obese means that you are unhealthy. I am not disagreeing with you there. My point is that overweightness, especially obesity, is a health problem that cannot easily be fixed.

You are right; a good diet and lifestyle can help prevent obesity. However this is not so easy to obtain in a lot of cases. Many people cannot afford healthier foods consistently, and the modern working lifestyle often conflicts with a mentally/physically healthy lifestyle.

I am not disagreeing with you that obesity is unhealthy; I am stating that not all “fat” people (society determines for us who looks fat and who doesnt) are obese, and that obesity is not as easily solved as simply choosing to be healthier.

My post is positive towards fat and obese people not because I want to glorify poor life styles, but because I want to acknowledge the humans behind fatness, overweightness, and, yes, obesity. They are so rarely given positivity because of their body and so it is important to recognize them as people rather than just seeing poor health.

Obviously. Everyone is more than their appearance.

But actually, it is possible to eat healthy on a budget.
If you can afford it, though, you probably have enough time outside of work to put effort into it.
Also, you can prevent fatness from becoming obesity.
There are also plenty of people who can change it and don’t and end up regretting it later.

But for the actual point of your post, though, we agree. I was already a bit on edge so my immediate reaction to your post was negative. Because there are parts of the fat positivity movement that are wrong, and people who do see nothing wrong with poor lifestyles.
Sorry for wasting time.

Oh my god, don’t apologize! I’m really glad this discussion happened/is happening. I’m glad we agree that fat people, no matter their health, deserve love and positivity (as studies have shown positivity motivates people to be healthy more than negativity does). I can’t say I’m with you on the lifestyle argument; for people (in the U.S at least) who live on minimum wage/low income, it can be very difficult to maintain a healthy lifestyle, as many areas have little in terms of healthy foods and more cheap, accessible unhealthy food, such as fast food places (food deserts). I stick to my original point that health is harder to achieve for certain people, and it is not just a choice.

Again, don’t apologize, and thank you for your comment! Your health concern for people is completely valid, and I’m glad you brought it up! Thank you! 🙂

I don’t really know much about food because I don’t buy my own food yet. So I honestly don’t have any way of knowing that.
I also never said it was easy to find, but definitely the time to put the effort in isn’t always there, or you have more important things to do than make sure you live a long life. That’s valid.
But I don’t think it’s 110% impossible for anyone to take any steps towards a healthier lifestyle.

I’m definitely glad you didn’t get mad at me, though. The amount of times I’ve had that happen when all I wanted was a mature conversation on this website is absurd.

I agree with you that making a healthier lifestyle is not impossible; that’s not the point I’m trying to make at all. My point is that not all fat people automatically need to live a healthier lifestyle, and that those who do have an unhealthy weight deserve positive support and love at all times like anybody else, and that included genuine concern over health. I think this is the point the fat positive movement is trying to make, and it is definitely the point I was trying to make in my original post.

I’m glad this turned into a good conversation as well 🙂

If it is than I have no problem with it. It’s obvious personally that everyone deserves support and positivity no matter what. (Even if they’re bad people.)(To an extent)

Although I do think that there are people who don’t think that you can become unhealthy if you’re fat and that a doctor being concerned is discriminatory. (Which is flat out wrong)(which is also why I attacked you initially)

We may have to disagree on your second point. I don’t equate fat immediately to unhealthy because fat, in our society, is a relative term used to describe someone’s appearance. Someone who is fat in one person’s eyes may not be fat in another person’s. In this way it is problematic to assume health by appearance because the word “fat” as it is used today is an extremely loose and relative term.

I agree 100% that a doctors concern should be taken seriously, but I say this acknowledging that I am not a doctor. Unless someone is a medical professional, they cannot determine someone’s health, especially by appearance.

I mean fat in the clinical sense of being above your healthy weight range. Which can lead to health problems. (Obviously I don’t mean a pound or two above it I mean 15 or 20 pounds above it.)

Not taking a doctor’s concerns seriously would be absolutely fucking stupid. You may want to get a few other opinions, but just writing off their years and years of schooling is wrong.

rustnrot:

iicraft505:

rustnrot:

iicraft505:

rustnrot:

iicraft505:

rustnrot:

iicraft505:

rustnrot:

Nothing makes me more sad than anti-body positivity. Fat is okay. It is okay to have fat, it is okay to be fat, okay? And even if you’re fat and unhealthy because of it you deserve to love yourself and look at your body without disgust because that love will encourage you to make the right choices for your own, beautiful body.

Not everyone is built to be thin. Don’t you dare pretend that someone is worth less because they aren’t thin. Destroy the idea that thin should be the ideal.

I don’t have the time to point out how wrong you are. Choosing to not try to live a healthier lifestyle to loose weight is NEVER the right decision in the long term.

I have a few problems with your point (though I understand if you had limited time to construct it).
You’re assuming that being fat is a choice, and that fat people are deliberately “choosing to not try to live a healthier lifestyle.” This is not always the case. For many fat people, their weight is something very difficult to change, so calling the idea of losing weight simply a “choice,” I think, is misunderstanding the process of (healthy) weight loss.

Don’t misunderstand me, it is possible for fat people to be unhealthy! It is even possible for their overweightness to be the reason for their poor health. However this does not mean they deserve to be shamed or criticized. The anti-fat positivity movement assumes a constant correlation between fat and poor health, and uses this to justify hateful attitudes towards fat people. This is a major concern and the reason why I made my original post. I hope you understand this.

Don’t be so quick to assume that fat equates to poor health, and that being fat is always just a poor lifestyle choice. I hope our disagreement leads to good discussion in the future.

Being overweight directly leads to health problems. Being healthy while fat is always a temporary state.

I don’t think fat people are bad for being fat.
I do, however, think that spreading around the idea that you can be healthy and fat indefinitely is wrong.

If you don’t want to loose weight I have no problem with that either.
Again, spreading around the idea that not everyone can loose weight if they put their mind to it and that you can be healthy indefinitely while fat is bad.

Living a healthy lifestyle and improving your food habits is a choice. Yes, a hard change. And loosing weight in a healthy way isn’t easy or quick.

What I ultimately have the problem with is the assertion that some people just can’t loose weight if they want to.

Ultimately I believe that with the right diet for your activity level/age/metabolic rate anyone can have a healthy weight.

I think where we’re disagreeing comes down to differing definitions of “fat” and “overweight.”

Fat, realistically speaking, is a component of our bodies that is natural and necessary for us to live healthily. The amount of it also varies per person, so putting people on a slider of healthy to unhealthy based on fat isn’t realistic.

I think your main concern is the health issue that comes from being overweight, hench why you brought up obesity. Yes, being unhealthy is bad, and being obese means that you are unhealthy. I am not disagreeing with you there. My point is that overweightness, especially obesity, is a health problem that cannot easily be fixed.

You are right; a good diet and lifestyle can help prevent obesity. However this is not so easy to obtain in a lot of cases. Many people cannot afford healthier foods consistently, and the modern working lifestyle often conflicts with a mentally/physically healthy lifestyle.

I am not disagreeing with you that obesity is unhealthy; I am stating that not all “fat” people (society determines for us who looks fat and who doesnt) are obese, and that obesity is not as easily solved as simply choosing to be healthier.

My post is positive towards fat and obese people not because I want to glorify poor life styles, but because I want to acknowledge the humans behind fatness, overweightness, and, yes, obesity. They are so rarely given positivity because of their body and so it is important to recognize them as people rather than just seeing poor health.

Obviously. Everyone is more than their appearance.

But actually, it is possible to eat healthy on a budget.
If you can afford it, though, you probably have enough time outside of work to put effort into it.
Also, you can prevent fatness from becoming obesity.
There are also plenty of people who can change it and don’t and end up regretting it later.

But for the actual point of your post, though, we agree. I was already a bit on edge so my immediate reaction to your post was negative. Because there are parts of the fat positivity movement that are wrong, and people who do see nothing wrong with poor lifestyles.
Sorry for wasting time.

Oh my god, don’t apologize! I’m really glad this discussion happened/is happening. I’m glad we agree that fat people, no matter their health, deserve love and positivity (as studies have shown positivity motivates people to be healthy more than negativity does). I can’t say I’m with you on the lifestyle argument; for people (in the U.S at least) who live on minimum wage/low income, it can be very difficult to maintain a healthy lifestyle, as many areas have little in terms of healthy foods and more cheap, accessible unhealthy food, such as fast food places (food deserts). I stick to my original point that health is harder to achieve for certain people, and it is not just a choice.

Again, don’t apologize, and thank you for your comment! Your health concern for people is completely valid, and I’m glad you brought it up! Thank you! 🙂

I don’t really know much about food because I don’t buy my own food yet. So I honestly don’t have any way of knowing that.
I also never said it was easy to find, but definitely the time to put the effort in isn’t always there, or you have more important things to do than make sure you live a long life. That’s valid.
But I don’t think it’s 110% impossible for anyone to take any steps towards a healthier lifestyle.

I’m definitely glad you didn’t get mad at me, though. The amount of times I’ve had that happen when all I wanted was a mature conversation on this website is absurd.

I agree with you that making a healthier lifestyle is not impossible; that’s not the point I’m trying to make at all. My point is that not all fat people automatically need to live a healthier lifestyle, and that those who do have an unhealthy weight deserve positive support and love at all times like anybody else, and that included genuine concern over health. I think this is the point the fat positive movement is trying to make, and it is definitely the point I was trying to make in my original post.

I’m glad this turned into a good conversation as well 🙂

If it is than I have no problem with it. It’s obvious personally that everyone deserves support and positivity no matter what. (Even if they’re bad people.)(To an extent)

Although I do think that there are people who don’t think that you can become unhealthy if you’re fat and that a doctor being concerned is discriminatory. (Which is flat out wrong)(which is also why I attacked you initially)

rustnrot:

iicraft505:

rustnrot:

iicraft505:

rustnrot:

Nothing makes me more sad than anti-body positivity. Fat is okay. It is okay to have fat, it is okay to be fat, okay? And even if you’re fat and unhealthy because of it you deserve to love yourself and look at your body without disgust because that love will encourage you to make the right choices for your own, beautiful body.

Not everyone is built to be thin. Don’t you dare pretend that someone is worth less because they aren’t thin. Destroy the idea that thin should be the ideal.

I don’t have the time to point out how wrong you are. Choosing to not try to live a healthier lifestyle to loose weight is NEVER the right decision in the long term.

I have a few problems with your point (though I understand if you had limited time to construct it).
You’re assuming that being fat is a choice, and that fat people are deliberately “choosing to not try to live a healthier lifestyle.” This is not always the case. For many fat people, their weight is something very difficult to change, so calling the idea of losing weight simply a “choice,” I think, is misunderstanding the process of (healthy) weight loss.

Don’t misunderstand me, it is possible for fat people to be unhealthy! It is even possible for their overweightness to be the reason for their poor health. However this does not mean they deserve to be shamed or criticized. The anti-fat positivity movement assumes a constant correlation between fat and poor health, and uses this to justify hateful attitudes towards fat people. This is a major concern and the reason why I made my original post. I hope you understand this.

Don’t be so quick to assume that fat equates to poor health, and that being fat is always just a poor lifestyle choice. I hope our disagreement leads to good discussion in the future.

Being overweight directly leads to health problems. Being healthy while fat is always a temporary state.

I don’t think fat people are bad for being fat.
I do, however, think that spreading around the idea that you can be healthy and fat indefinitely is wrong.

If you don’t want to loose weight I have no problem with that either.
Again, spreading around the idea that not everyone can loose weight if they put their mind to it and that you can be healthy indefinitely while fat is bad.

Living a healthy lifestyle and improving your food habits is a choice. Yes, a hard change. And loosing weight in a healthy way isn’t easy or quick.

What I ultimately have the problem with is the assertion that some people just can’t loose weight if they want to.

Ultimately I believe that with the right diet for your activity level/age/metabolic rate anyone can have a healthy weight.

I think where we’re disagreeing comes down to differing definitions of “fat” and “overweight.”

Fat, realistically speaking, is a component of our bodies that is natural and necessary for us to live healthily. The amount of it also varies per person, so putting people on a slider of healthy to unhealthy based on fat isn’t realistic.

I think your main concern is the health issue that comes from being overweight, hench why you brought up obesity. Yes, being unhealthy is bad, and being obese means that you are unhealthy. I am not disagreeing with you there. My point is that overweightness, especially obesity, is a health problem that cannot easily be fixed.

You are right; a good diet and lifestyle can help prevent obesity. However this is not so easy to obtain in a lot of cases. Many people cannot afford healthier foods consistently, and the modern working lifestyle often conflicts with a mentally/physically healthy lifestyle.

I am not disagreeing with you that obesity is unhealthy; I am stating that not all “fat” people (society determines for us who looks fat and who doesnt) are obese, and that obesity is not as easily solved as simply choosing to be healthier.

My post is positive towards fat and obese people not because I want to glorify poor life styles, but because I want to acknowledge the humans behind fatness, overweightness, and, yes, obesity. They are so rarely given positivity because of their body and so it is important to recognize them as people rather than just seeing poor health.

Obviously. Everyone is more than their appearance.

But actually, it is possible to eat healthy on a budget.
If you can afford it, though, you probably have enough time outside of work to put effort into it.
Also, you can prevent fatness from becoming obesity.
There are also plenty of people who can change it and don’t and end up regretting it later.

But for the actual point of your post, though, we agree. I was already a bit on edge so my immediate reaction to your post was negative. Because there are parts of the fat positivity movement that are wrong, and people who do see nothing wrong with poor lifestyles.
Sorry for wasting time.

Shout out to overweight/obese/ “fat” people

nessruth98:

I’m always here for you. I’m sorry that there are people who openly make fun of you and telling you that you’re not good enough. I want to give you guys a hug to show how much I care and recognize that you’re just as human as everyone else This is coming from a 17 (turning 18) year old girl who’s 5’1 and 20-25 pounds underweight.

You don’t have to be fat to support them.

Not every fat person has serious (big or small) health problems.
Not every fat person can lose weight as easily as you can.
Not every fat person choose to be fat, it could be genetics or a medical condition.
Not every fat person can take your insults/jokes well.

But, every fat person is HUMAN just like everyone else. You’re treating them like a disease, not as people.

Y’all are the fucking stupidest fucks if you think being fat doesn’t directly lead to health problems. Arthritis, diabetes, high blood pressure, being infertile, depression, kidney failure, heart attacks, clogged arteries, being unable to move, bone problems…
There is no reason to not put your all into loosing weight and maintaining a healthy lifestyle. Being fat is not good for your body.

Just because you can’t loose weight easily does not mean it isn’t possible. It will take work. Getting to and maintaining an ideal weight especially with genetic predisposition to being fat will take a lot of work.

Genetics? All that means is that it’s more work. Tackling it early is better.

Of course not. That’s why being fat can cause depression. I don’t think anyone could take insults and jokes about their body well indefinitely.

BUT:
Fat people are human. They deserve your love just as much as anyone else. Supporting them is just as important as supporting someone else. Being mean to someone because they are fat isn’t okay. If they can’t lose weight, they still deserve to be loved.
And they are more than being fat. Of course. They’re people.

Fat positivity is the dumbest movement on this website.

I’ve been watching some YouTube videos and I can guarantee that if you’re overweight you may have no problems now but you definitely will later. Being overweight causes and is comorbid with a lot of health problems.
If you aren’t personally bothered by that, you should be. Not only that, but why tell other that it’s A-OK to be fat when it just isn’t?
Being overweight causes mobility problems. Eventually it will get to you.
It can cause depression.

Discriminating against someone because they’re overweight or bullying them isn’t okay, but encouraging them to be healthy is. I just don’t see why wanting someone to live a long, happy life isn’t okay.
If you’re healthy now, you won’t be forever. Take the steps to improve your diet and lifestyle now so you don’t regret it later.

The thing that bothers me most about “fat positivity” is that my grandpa is very obese from an eating disorder and he is definitely not healthy. He has a plethora of health problems, most of which are related to being obese. And it’s not like he’s an isolated case. So please, stop fat positivity and save lives.