we had a debate about climate change today and i really pissed off the class vegan by saying that plant agriculture is just as bad, if not worse for the environment than animal agriculture lmfao these people cant handle truth

dairyisntscary:

Yup lol. Whenever they hammer on about sustainability as if large scale crop agriculture is completely benign, all while being like “THE MOST HARMFUL PART OF ANIMAL AG IS THE FEED…”

Also the whole “importing tropical fruit from Timbuktu to New York in January is SO MUCH BETTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT than local beef” delusion lol. And increasing demand for produce in winter is a good idea. And forcing things to grow by changing the land and claiming it’s greener.

Almost like none of them actually know how agriculture even works or have a plan other than “make cows extinct, global warming is over”

dairyisntscary:

dairyisntscary:

anyway the fact that ppl literally think ppl should eat in a way that could jeopardize their health and no one should be allowed any animal protein anymore is gross and low key eugenics-y

there are people who N E E D animal protein to live, and that means that sustainable animal ag is a necessity. If it’s not even worth trying to make it sustainable then we’re pretty much screwed then aren’t we? (We’re not because fossil fuels are the real issue but w/e I guess)

trickstarbrave:

veganmikehanlon:

healthy-purple-sandwich:

socialjusticeichigo:

dairyisntscary:

Many people continue to think avoiding meat as infrequently as once a week will make a significant difference to the climate. But according to one recent study, even if Americans eliminated all animal protein from their diets, they would reduce US greenhouse gas emissions by only 2.6%.

According to our research at the University of California, Davis, if the practice of Meatless Monday were to be adopted by all Americans, we’d see a reduction of only 0.5%.

Shit its almost like the real problem is corporate greed causing mass pollution on an unimaginable scale.

hey do you guys ever think about reading the notes before rbing things like this? bc you’ll learn a lot more from educated people in the notes than you will from just reading the caption lmao not to mention “corporate greed” is about selling YOU, the individual, products and in this case the product is murdered animals so maybe think for One Second before reblogging “gotcha” posts

capitalism is abt controlling what products ppl can buy. its why trying to buy clothing that isnt unethically produced and polluting on some level is like pulling teeth (even making your own clothes you need fabric, which uses a ton of water to produce and is made by ppl in unsafe factories and transported long distances and is hard to keep track of the source of it without buying specially made fabric for a lot of $$$). the source breaks down why previous reports were inaccurate in measurements of green house gas emissions.

the idea of “lets just stop buying meat and they will magically stop producing it” doesnt work. what does work is better regulations on companies that have more power than an individual consumer. what does work is careful research and follow up research about what needs to be done so activists know who to target. what does need to be done is getting lawmakers out of the pocket of big corporations. if you think not buying meat will save the planet, you’re plain and simply wrong. it wont. it might be an ethical choice for you and thats fine, but it wont stop climate change by itself at all. it will barely help the situation, at best, and thats only accounting for everyone being physically able to just stop eating all meat. 

foodscienceyo:

healthy-purple-sandwich:

socialjusticeichigo:

dairyisntscary:

Many people continue to think avoiding meat as infrequently as once a week will make a significant difference to the climate. But according to one recent study, even if Americans eliminated all animal protein from their diets, they would reduce US greenhouse gas emissions by only 2.6%.

According to our research at the University of California, Davis, if the practice of Meatless Monday were to be adopted by all Americans, we’d see a reduction of only 0.5%.

Shit its almost like the real problem is corporate greed causing mass pollution on an unimaginable scale.

I’d also like to point out that, by eliminating animal based products from your diet, you will inevitably purchase more plant-based fats (coconut oil, sunflower oil, canola oil, palm oil, olive oil etc)

Unless you want to spend a ridiculous amount on single origin artisinal shit, there are no sustainable plant oil options.

These industries are causing massive harm, especially to rainforest habitats.

Food decisions are never black and white. There are always benefits and negatives to any choice, there will always be a tradeoff.

sheepscourse:

dairyisntscary:

sheepscourse:

talking about deforestation for animal agriculture is really… a moot point unless you’re talking about very specific areas lol.

So long as you’re not eating Brazilian beef, which is unlikely unless you live in Asia/the Middle East, it’s extremely unlikely your meat/dairy has *any* impact on deforestation. :B Raising cattle on grassland like is done in the US is not as harmful as clearing forest to raise them on rainforest ground. As for soy 80% of Amazonian soy goes to China and most US large scale livestock producers raise their own soy.

We aren’t gonna import what we can grow here

yeah and like I was talking about in the tags, there certainly was deforestation in the US for agriculture, but… that happened largely around the time when Europeans were colonizing and importing a bunch of livestock. we don’t really blindly deforest here anymore because we have a much better understanding of ecosystems. (and the US isn’t just forest in the east coast, there’s lots of natural grassland area)

thingswithantlers:

Arctic Reindeer Populations Are Dying Because Of Climate Change, A New Report Shows

Wild reindeer in the Arctic may soon be reduced to the stuff of children’s tales, according to a new report evaluating the impact of climate change in the area. Over the last twenty years, herd populations of wild reindeer and caribou in the Arctic tundra have dropped by more than half, according to the Arctic Report Card, an annual report that’s been releasing updates on the status of the Arctic environment since 2006. One of the report’s key findings: Arctic reindeer and caribou populations have declined by roughly 56 percent in the last two decades.

Scientists estimate there are around 2.1 million of the populations left in the area, though some herds experienced worse declines than others. In the Alaska-Canada region, for example, five herds were reduced by more than 90 percent, and don’t show any promising signs of recovering from this loss. The researchers noted that while it’s typical for herd numbers to fluctuate, many of the herds are exhibiting record low populations.

There is not one sole cause for the decline, but researchers in the report agreed that climate change in the Arctic was “an overarching factor.” Air temperatures in the Arctic from 2014 to 2018 have surpassed all previous records since 1900, and temperatures in the Arctic are warming at double the rate of the rest of the world, the report noted. In one example, caribou’s adaptability (or lack thereof) to the changing temperatures was linked to diminished pregnancy and calf survival rates due to consecutive years of poor weather conditions like drought.

Indigenous people in the area who rely on the reindeer and caribou for food security and as culturally significant symbols are facing a threat to their way of life due to the duration and severity of the declines, the report notes. Wild reindeer and caribou are also “a key species in the arctic food web,” the report continues, due to their essential role in the habitat’s food chain and ecosystem.

Hello! About your question, it’s all about supply and demand. More people who boycott meat = less animals bred & killed because demands for meat decrease. In 2014, 400 millions fewer animals were killed than before. Also no matter how little meat you’re eating, an entire animal had been killed for it anyway even if it’s 2 slices of bacon. You won’t save the animals already killed and/or to be killed soon, but you will decreased the demand for it and less animals will be breed for food. (1)

oh no, the second and third parts didn’t send it seems. I was telling you, if you truly love & respect animals, make your own research and check out multiple sources! There’s a lot of misinformations here for the sake of shitting on vegans bc people don’t want to take responsability. It’s easier reblgging something without checking any further, staying ignorant and making no change. I was myself just like that 2 yrs ago, making jokes about them thinking they weren’t making senses.Take care!

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Honestly, I don’t think that answers my question? It doesn’t take a whole pig to make two pieces of bacon. The pig makes tons of food, and honestly? The entire pig is used. You don’t save an animal a day because you personally don’t consume a whole animal a day. And also, while I’ll definitely be looking into it myself (if I decide it’s relevant anyway), I heard that the decrease in 2014 was due to a drought, not meat-free diets.

But as for supply and demand, yeah, I realized that as I was typing the post. It’s like how not buying plastic water bottles effects the demand for them. That aspect I get.

As for researching veganism.. yeah. I mean I personally.. don’t really know how I feel about meat eating itself (I can justify it in the sense that I’m an omnivorous animal, but I have a hard time with liking the animals themselves), but I’m going to do research on how I can make my diet best for the animals involved, people involved, the environment, my nutrition, and what I’m willing to eat. I don’t know that that’s a vegan diet necessarily, but yeah.

Also.. I completely respect veganism. My posts “against” it are more about a certain /type/ of vegan. And like, I get the reason they’re like that is because they feel really strongly about it. But it is somewhat annoying.

So.. yeah?

quasi-normalcy:

theauspolchronicles:

I’m so goddamn mad that oil companies have known climate change is real for decades and did everything to stop people from acting on it. I want to burn their offices down. I want to throw their CEOs into a fucking pit. The world is being destroyed because some filthy rich fucks saw the end coming and figured making money off it was better than saving it. That’s pure evil, plain and simple.

Exxon knew about climate change almost 40 years ago and took steps to suppress the evidence

Likewise Shell.

This isn’t a conspiracy theory, this is a documented historical fact, and people’s heads should literally be rolling for it.

kawuli:

feathersescapism:

peashooter85:

such-justice-wow:

cliff-snowpeak:

takineko:

realest-asami-requiem:

takineko:

realest-asami-requiem:

that “Scientists remind world clean energy is ready to go whenever” picture but instead of gay ass solar panels it’s nuclear powerplants

Fukushima tho

“Hey nuclear energy is clean and highly efficient and is incredibly underused”

“What about that one time where a catastrophic earthquake and tsunami hit the reactor coupled with poor communication between on site personnel and the Japanese government which resulted in a localized containment of the surrounding town with no real long lasting injuries.”

I heard it was still dumping radiation into the ocean daily? 😦

Yes, but we’re talking minuscule amounts. Look, Fukushima, Chernobyl, and Three-Mile Island were the worst nuclear disasters in history, and yet they’ve killed less than a hundred people *combined*.

The Fukushima reactor broke because the Japanese government prioritized the *appearance* of safety, while refusing to acknowledge any flaws in the reactor’s design.

The Chernobyl reactor went into meltdown because people who did not understand nuclear power demanded the plant put our more power than it could and overrode numerous fail safes to do so.

Three-Mile Island went into meltdown, but only trace amounts of radiation leaked out. The fail safes in place functioned exactly as they were supposed to and contained the overwhelming majority of the radiation.

There are dozens of nuclear power plants all along America’s Gulf Coast that get hit by hurricanes every year or so. And none of them have ever gone into meltdown because they were designed to withstand them.

When properly constructed and maintained, nuclear power plants produce more power than similar fossil fuel plants, require far less space than solar or wind farms, and can be built pretty much anywhere, unlike hydroelectric dams. They really are the best kind of power plant we have.

Fucking NIMBY bullshit. Public ignorance is a large force against nuclear energy

Not to mention that within my lifetime and perhaps in the next few decades we’re going to figure out nuclear fusion which does not use radioactive materials, uses the two most common elements in the universe; hydrogen and helium, has no risk of nuclear meltdown like fission reactors, and does not produce toxic wastes.

I mean I’m not going to count on fusion any time soon, but we don’t NEED to. 

Nuclear power is actually INCREDIBLY FUCKING SAFE AND CLEAN compared to EVERY OTHER KIND WE HAVE, JESUS CHRIST. 

I have looked at a number of “how fucked are we in re climate change” projections. The availability of nuclear power and the ability to build more nuclear power plants makes us WAY LESS FUCKED. In large part because nuclear provides consistent, stable amounts of power, whereas solar and wind are inherently variable. A 100% wind/solar/hydro renewables grid is not feasible. A 100% renewables plus nuclear grid might be.